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Pretty Pretty Princesses.

I am looking for movies, preferably princessy movies, that will appeal to a very smart three year old and that do not have a negative gender message. Brad's niece, Mo, and I have watched Enchanted about a squillion times, and while we both love it, I imagine she's going to get bored with it before too terribly long. I'd like to have something else lined up for her when that happens.

So here's the gender thing.

Mo recently came home from daycare and announced to her Mema that princes must save princesses because only boys can save girls. Girls cannot save boys. It's an idea she picked up from a couple of the slightly older girls at daycare, and not an idea Mo's parents are at all okay with. And it's definitely not an idea that I want to have any part in encouraging. Enchanted is great because at the end of the movie, Giselle saves Robert (I think?) from the icky icky dragonbeast. It shows people helping each other, taking care of each other, and supporting each other.

I want to have more movies like that to show Mo when she's here. So, my little FriendBots, please make suggestions. Tell me which movies you think would work well for a smart little girl who loves princesses but is not Baby to be put in a corner.

Also, I just lost the game.

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fraises
Nov. 19th, 2009 04:34 pm (UTC)
Penelope might be a little mature for her, but it's an adorable movie where the "princess" saves herself :) It's about a girl cursed with a pig's nose, and the only way to remove the curse is to be "loved by one of her own kind".
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:09 pm (UTC)
Oh, that sounds like fun. I'll have to find that and watch it before I show it to her, but having to pre-watch doesn't sound like a chore. :)
floatyfish
Nov. 19th, 2009 04:35 pm (UTC)
Although Disney does a horrible job with some princess-type movies, I rather liked 'Mulan' for such a strong female figure. I also found 'Beauty and the Beast' to not be all that bad, because I found Belle to be a compelling character due to her being a rather intelligent female figure that didn't just go for the stupid, buff guy and who enjoyed reading more than anything else. Although people might take issue with cultural issues within 'Pocahontas', I found her to be a strong female figure as well, although a good deal of the movie can be rather cheesy (we are talking Disney here).

I also find 'Shrek' to not follow the same-old-same-old princess/knight roles as well.
cheryln
Nov. 19th, 2009 06:18 pm (UTC)
Seconded on "Mulan" as far as Disney princesses. Also in the Disney vein, "Tinkerbell" surprisingly isn't that bad. (There's a new one that just came out that I haven't seen; I'm talking about one that's just called "Tinker Bell.") It's guilty of a lot of the same oversimplification as any Disney movie, but there's no sign of anyone rescuing Tink, and not even the slightest glimmer of a romantic interest.
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:13 pm (UTC)
Mo has a Tinkerbell movie, something about a treasure hunt, that I think is relatively recent. We started it the last time she was here and I was absolutely enchanted by it. I'll look for the one you mention, too. It sounds perfect.

Also? I've never really needed an excuse to indulge my love of fairy-tale type movies, but having a reason to find them rocks. Does Toni like this sort of thing?
cheryln
Nov. 23rd, 2009 01:17 pm (UTC)
Does Toni like that sort of thing?

Uh, just a little. We went to Disney World a couple weeks ago, and as far as she was concerned we could pretty much have flown down for the princess breakfast and come right back.

And I resisted it for a long time--she learned about Disney from her friends, not from me showing her the movies. Because if you have to give up your tail to be with a guy, he's not worth it! A man who molests you in your sleep is not a hero! You don't have to--and probably shouldn't--instantly marry the first boy you kiss! These are not good life lessons. Plus, besides the princess victims, the other female characters are generally shrewish, evil, dead, or imaginary.

But on the other hand, who wouldn't want to have a selection of gorgeous dresses, a castle where you could throw spectacular balls, a fairy godmother or genie to produce whatever you want out of thin air, and a catchy soundtrack? So I'm slowly coming to grips with the realization that the fantasy is mostly about that stuff, not about being helpless, and making sure the media diet is not exclusively princess-based.

Edited at 2009-11-23 05:15 pm (UTC)
the_xtina
Nov. 23rd, 2009 05:22 pm (UTC)
But on the other hand, who wouldn't want to have a selection of gorgeous dresses, a castle where you could throw spectacular balls, a fairy godmother or genie to produce whatever you want out of thin air, and a catchy soundtrack?

Such as?
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:11 pm (UTC)
I've not seen Mulan or Pocahontas, so I'll definitely look into those. Belle of Beauty and the Beast fills me with the happy, so I'll get that one for her (and I admit also for me). And Shrek is a great choice. I think she has that already, but I definitely wouldn't mind having a copy here. Yay!
floatyfish
Nov. 19th, 2009 04:39 pm (UTC)
Also..if she's not easily scared by different creatures...Hayao Miyazaki's movies are wonderful.

For young children, I'd suggest 'My Neighbor Totoro' and 'Ponyo'.
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:13 pm (UTC)
Sweet! You are full of the wonderful ideas, AmelieFishie. :)
wyliekat
Nov. 19th, 2009 04:43 pm (UTC)
I don't have a movie suggestion, but The Paperbag Princess is a book that does the exact same job, and does it very directly and bluntly. Highly recommend it for princessly girl reading.
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:14 pm (UTC)
Oh, excellent! That'll go on my Christmas list for her. I love giving books as gifts, and it sounds exactly right.
wyliekat
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:18 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking it would be. It's not a big book or a chapter book, but she's probably still at an age where this level of reading wouldn't be challenging, but satisfying.
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:33 pm (UTC)
And that's exactly what I'm looking for for her. I don't want to load her up with something that will seem like a chore to get through. I want her to have movies and stories that delight her.
the_xtina
Nov. 19th, 2009 04:54 pm (UTC)
I went to track comments, and the track comments page gives me the option to track by tags.  Your first tag?  "14-year-old-hookercon".  *snorts*

regyt mentioned to me that you might appreciate/get ideas from this post.
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:15 pm (UTC)
*giggle*

That was my post about going to an amusement park where every young teen girl I saw seemed to be dressed for a trollop-themed costume contest.

That post is fantastic. I did get a lot of great ideas from it and I've bookmarked it to go back to later, too.
fontosaurus
Nov. 19th, 2009 04:59 pm (UTC)
Also there have not been Linus/Eddie pictures in quite some time.
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:17 pm (UTC)
You show me pics of Sprout and Calvwell and I'll show you pics of Linus and Eddie. Right now, they're both curled up on my bed along with Spooky and Shiz. I am dying of teh cute.
fontosaurus
Nov. 21st, 2009 03:07 pm (UTC)
Scout on the Stairs

Salsa Las Cruces (and Calvin)

Calvin & Scout
fontosaurus
Nov. 30th, 2009 03:32 am (UTC)
*ahem*
trista
Nov. 30th, 2009 09:02 am (UTC)
Oh, fine. I'll download the pictures tomorrow.

You may actually need to remind me again, though.
floatyfish
Nov. 30th, 2009 09:25 pm (UTC)
*whispers*

I sent you a private message on LJ a while back and then sent you a comment to point you at the private message.

It seems I am trying to stalk send you a holiday card and I need your address. ;) Could you e-mail me it? I mean, unless you are purposefully not responding, because you fear the stalking of a Floatyfish. *grins*
fontosaurus
Dec. 1st, 2009 09:29 pm (UTC)

*ahem*

fontosaurus
Dec. 15th, 2009 09:33 pm (UTC)
Fuckit, nevermind. Geez.
floatyfish
Nov. 19th, 2009 05:07 pm (UTC)
Also..*laughs*..as a book for her..'Blueberry Girl' by Neil Gaiman..it is a WONDERFUL, GORGEOUS book for girls.
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:17 pm (UTC)
She has that one! She asked me to read it to her for her bedtime story the last time I was at her house, and I loved it, too. :)
intenselaura
Nov. 19th, 2009 05:43 pm (UTC)
Not sure it's quite for a three year old, but I have to mention Ever After, a retelling of the Cinderella story.  Not only does the girl save the prince, but the prince goes a long way toward winning her heart by building her a library.  Plus Leonardo da Vinci is the 'fairy godmother'.
tevriel
Nov. 20th, 2009 01:45 pm (UTC)
/signed
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:19 pm (UTC)
Ever After is fantastic. I remember seeing it in the theater and being completely charmed by it. I've added to the top of the list. Thank you!
oceanstorme
Nov. 19th, 2009 06:03 pm (UTC)
I agree with intenselaura about Ever After - it's a fantastic movie, but might be just a squeak too old for a 3-year old. floatyfish has the same ideas I have; Beauty and the Beast, because of her strong intelligent role and she does kind of save the prince at the end. Mulan shows another strong female figure who doesn't need to be saved. And Shrek because of how fun it is.
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:22 pm (UTC)
Excellent. I thought they were great ideas, and I'm glad to have them seconded. :)

Also, and completely unrelated, I've been looking at gorgeous gorgeous scarf patterns this week, and I think I've chosen the yarn for the one I'm making for you. I'm super excited about it. :)
oceanstorme
Nov. 21st, 2009 01:14 am (UTC)
Oooh, yay! :) I can't wait to see how it turns out, I'm so excited about it!
katiebea
Nov. 19th, 2009 06:58 pm (UTC)
How about Matilda? Might be a little too much for a 3 y/o, but is a great one for later. Roald Dahl was great.
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:25 pm (UTC)
Sweet! Matilda is an awesome book. I've not seen the movie but would love to, so pre-watching will make me happy even if it is a bit much for Mo.

Have you read Dahl's nursery rhyme books? They are hilarious.

Also, I have not forgotten your movies. I've just been beaten with the poverty stick, but I hope to send them to you soon, along with some small Portland presents that I've had my eye on for you. :)
katiebea
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:44 pm (UTC)
I will have to obtain the nursery rhymes, as I have not seen them. I'm still trying to find my copy of his Omnibus, all his adult themed short stories, to no avail. Perhaps when bookshelves get built and I commit unboxening of the books, it will show up again.

Not to worry, I understand the poverty stick making smacky noises- the offer is still there if you would like some paypal'd assistance.
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:48 pm (UTC)
Ooh, I haven't read the short stories. I'll have to look for them. The nursery rhymes are also not so much for the kids, although most of them aren't "oh god no don't read that to the children!" but rather stuff that will go right over the kids' heads.

I'm torn on the offer. I'd like to be able to not make you pay ransom to get your movies back, but I'd also like you to actually get them back. Argh.
katiebea
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:52 pm (UTC)
Look for Roald Dahl's Omnibus. I just checked paperbackswap to see if they had it posted? Alas, not today.

Do not be torn, m'dear. Is your paypal info your gmail info? It's not ransom if it's offered freely.
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:55 pm (UTC)
I'll look at Powell's for it. Powell's is faaaaabulous. :)

Yes, paypal and gmail are the same. I will stop being torn and will actually get your movies back to you. And also nifty presents! Because nifty presents go a long way toward making me feel not so guilty.
katiebea
Nov. 20th, 2009 09:00 pm (UTC)
Another good bookstore? You are the luckiest girl.

Check your email, you can haz paypal.
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 09:07 pm (UTC)
Oh yes, a wonderful book store. I am, indeed, a very lucky girl.

Also, I can haz paypal! I shall endeavor to drag myself to the Post Office tomorrow, or Monday at the latest, and you shall have your movies! I already have a box for them, even. Yay!
wingedegeria
Nov. 22nd, 2009 07:45 am (UTC)
I have "Matilda" if you want to borrow it. I liked it and bought it for Joshua. I can drop it off for previewing any time.
trista
Nov. 22nd, 2009 09:31 am (UTC)
I would love that! Thank you! :)
ghost_light
Nov. 20th, 2009 03:17 am (UTC)
Movies I'm not sure about, but she'd probaby love the Gail Carson Levine books for bedtime stories. They are a lot of fun and take some nice twists with classic fairy tales - like Sleeping Beauty was actually very smart and while she was sleeping, people starting saying "Princess Sonara knows" as a stock answer for all those insolvables. The boy gets fed up and decides he's going to find her and get some answers. When he gets there she's covered in dust and has something that might be drool or might be bird doo-doo on the corner of her mouth and he decides there is no WAY he is kissing that!
trista
Nov. 20th, 2009 08:29 pm (UTC)
Oh, that sounds wonderful! I'm adding them to my list. This absolutely rocks because I get to read these books and watch these movies with her, and I so love stuff like this.
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